Comments on: What do you do when a friend turns out to be a thief?

By: Lord Matt

Lord Matt — Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:48:35 +0000

I always expect my customers to agree a terms of service because of exactly the same thing off line.

Rule one – always have a written contract and do or offer nothing that is not explicitly stated and agreed first. It sounds mean, rude even but I’ve found that anything less is no fun at all.

I also tend to charge about 20% over the going rate for my services (when I have to work directly) on the basis that the time wasters are frightened by the price but the seriouse ones open with seriouse negotiations fully ready to haggle. Some simply smile and say how cheap I am (it’s a funny old world).

By: Shannon

Shannon — Fri, 20 Apr 2007 17:04:16 +0000

Hello Ross,

I am sorry to hear that you ran into some problems. People go crazy on the Warrior Forum. It sounds like this guy was expecting a miracle from you and he thought that by doing what he did you would have felt bad for him maybe, or maybe it was a flat out way of getting out of paying you. You had everything that you needed to back up your story and I give you credit for keeping track of this. It stinks when one bad apple ruins it for everyone else. Hopefully this will not leave too much of a bad tase in your mouth and you will not let this stop you from doing work with others. Next time you know to get it in writing and to have a contract. I have learned that all too well in my personal life, even for something as simple as buying a dog. Never trust anyone It is a shame that you even have to say that, but it is true.

To Your Success!
Shannon Q.

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By: Stuart Halpryn

Stuart Halpryn — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 03:16:26 +0000

well ross,
for every one or two that like to take advantage,
whether they be marketers that have the ‘get
them for every cent you can’ attitude or
consumers who want it all for nothing (my
favorite being the one who orders the big
package then claims that they don’t like a
particular product in it, and that one is the ONLY
reason that they bought it & want ALL their
money back), there’s a ton who really appreciate
the work that people like you do for them.

and knowing you as we all do, we know that in
most every case, you go well beyond what was
promised, and overdeliver.

what’s the old saying; you can’t make a silk
purse out of a sow’s ear……

just the fact that he tried to claim that he paid
you more than he did says worlds about HIS
character.

regards,
stuart halpryn
http://TheJVZone.com
http://NetActivated.com

By: Ross Goldberg

Ross Goldberg — Fri, 13 Apr 2007 20:50:12 +0000

The biggest problem is that he doesn’t see where he has done anything wrong. He acted like I was his best friend when this arrangement started and as soon as the work was done, he went psychotic.

The other reason I didn’t bother with a contract is that he’s not located in the states and enforceability of the contract would have been nearly impossible. He made accusations today claiming he was going to take this public. I guess I beat him to the punch…

By: Pat Lovell

Pat Lovell — Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:35:00 +0000

Wow.. what a complete waste of time! I looked at the site and it doesn’t have any content on it and it looks like crap. I imagine he wonders why he’s not making any money with adsense. LOL

I’m sure you learned your lesson, always put stuff in writing, although if you have emails with him agreeing to your terms, that might hold up if you pressed it. But, probably not worth the fight.

It’s people like him that cry when they fail at any kind of Internet business…. it’s sad.

By: DH Harris

DH Harris — Fri, 13 Apr 2007 18:10:42 +0000

What a wild thing to encounter. What type of results did the guy really expect with such crappy sites. I’m sure he has approached other SEO Guru’s and they probably said hell NO based on the content alone.

I wouldn’t worry, once the word gets out he’s pretty much finished.

You dont want a bad name in this industry, the community is too small.

By: Karl Warren

Karl Warren — Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:30:14 +0000

Sad to hear this Ross,
one of the reasons I shy away from providing services.
I agree with Joshua Spaulding, people who go back
on their agreements ruin it for the rest of us who want
to work with each other for mutual benefit. I hope this
is a one off.

By: Joshua Spaulding

Joshua Spaulding — Fri, 13 Apr 2007 17:05:38 +0000

Sorry to hear that man. I wasn’t a member of the Warriors when it was private because I heard about it later but I almost wish it were again. (not to dis it, just a select few of the members)

It’s people like this who ruin good JV’s and friendships because they cause others not to trust people. I don’t blame you at all for your anger. I’d probably send a similar post to my list as well!!